rights - of God and Men
recap
#88 by temporal on September 15, 2005 10:20pm PT
#87:
Islam has prescribed two sets of duties upon a man, one set is called Haquq-ullah (i.e. rights of God) which covers all the praying rituals and then there are Haquq-ul Ibad (i.e. Rights of man)....
also you forgot to mention an important fact.... the latter has precedence over the former
Allah may forgive any oversight by a man or women relating to rights due to Him...but He won't forgive any abuse of Haqooq ul ebaad
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# 93:
a careful read of this post says you are saying the same thing i said in # 88:
first you quote me and then say Absolutely wrong! and a few sentences later you repeat what I said.....As for Huququl-'ibaad, He will not Forgive until the victim has forgiven, and then He may also forgive the victimizer because He has extended this right to everyone.
however by saying the following you are naoozobilah placing the restrictions on what Allah can or cannot do...not to mention an attempt to get into His mind!...naozobillah!
my understanding is this: If there is a violation of Haqooq ul eebaad, an all powerful and Omnipotent Allah says He will take a back seat...He will not forgive the violations of Haqooq ul eebad until the victim has forgiven the transgressor first... this establishes the precedence in no uncertain way
In #95 it appears rather in a convoluted and not straightforward, upfront way urstruly agrees with the precedence of Haqooq ul eebaad over Haqood Allah... "only person who has the right to grant mercy is that man's victim of back biting..."
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this precedence business is very relevant and important and in some measure affects the very core of Muslim life...the vested interest in islam by over emphasizing the importance of Haqooq Allah over Haqooq ul Eebaad have been shortchanging the Muslims worldwide...
to understand the import of this allow me to be over-simplistic:
it is more important in Allah's eyes to be a good corporate citizen, a good insaan
and
if you fall short of some obligations and rights due to Him…it is within his powers to overlook and forgive you when the time comes
in further over simplification: pehlay insaan, phir musalmaan, pehlay Khuda phir Rasool, pehlay taalim phir tafhim
#88 by temporal on September 15, 2005 10:20pm PT
#87:
Islam has prescribed two sets of duties upon a man, one set is called Haquq-ullah (i.e. rights of God) which covers all the praying rituals and then there are Haquq-ul Ibad (i.e. Rights of man)....
also you forgot to mention an important fact.... the latter has precedence over the former
Allah may forgive any oversight by a man or women relating to rights due to Him...but He won't forgive any abuse of Haqooq ul ebaad
*******
# 93:
a careful read of this post says you are saying the same thing i said in # 88:
first you quote me and then say Absolutely wrong! and a few sentences later you repeat what I said.....As for Huququl-'ibaad, He will not Forgive until the victim has forgiven, and then He may also forgive the victimizer because He has extended this right to everyone.
however by saying the following you are naoozobilah placing the restrictions on what Allah can or cannot do...not to mention an attempt to get into His mind!...naozobillah!
my understanding is this: If there is a violation of Haqooq ul eebaad, an all powerful and Omnipotent Allah says He will take a back seat...He will not forgive the violations of Haqooq ul eebad until the victim has forgiven the transgressor first... this establishes the precedence in no uncertain way
In #95 it appears rather in a convoluted and not straightforward, upfront way urstruly agrees with the precedence of Haqooq ul eebaad over Haqood Allah... "only person who has the right to grant mercy is that man's victim of back biting..."
***
this precedence business is very relevant and important and in some measure affects the very core of Muslim life...the vested interest in islam by over emphasizing the importance of Haqooq Allah over Haqooq ul Eebaad have been shortchanging the Muslims worldwide...
to understand the import of this allow me to be over-simplistic:
it is more important in Allah's eyes to be a good corporate citizen, a good insaan
and
if you fall short of some obligations and rights due to Him…it is within his powers to overlook and forgive you when the time comes
in further over simplification: pehlay insaan, phir musalmaan, pehlay Khuda phir Rasool, pehlay taalim phir tafhim
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